Posts by Las Malvinas son Argentinas

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I think his latest meltdown is because he's seen Kim on social media, meeting up with lots of exJWs and he's no longer part of it. He wants to be that person, that people are keen to see, and meet with. But now he isn't and never will be.

That is precisely it. Notice how that rant was all about Kim and he didn’t mention anyone else by name though he could have,

When he was still anonymous on this forum as “cedars” and right before the AAWA launch he went on the annual Tahoe apostafest thread and he made this huge announcement that if everything “goes to plan”, him and his wife would make a grand entrance in Tahoe. Everyone was wondering what had changed because he was very protective of their anonymity at the time.

As it turned out he had been hoping for AAWA to fund a cross country tour for him and the wife to come and be the centre of attention.

Attendees from his UK, US, and Australia “Meet Lloyd Evans” events have all shared that he stood in a prominent area and seemed to light up when people asked to shake his hand, pose for selfies, get autographs or get him to talk about himself. His mind seemed to wander off and it got awkward when the subject changed.

He sees Kim doing what he used to do and understands it won’t be the same for him ever again. I think it also irks him that Kim is well known due to her association with him and all that went down. He had counted on her being persona non grata by now but the exact opposite is true.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Seriously though, he can afford the haircut. He still has 450+ patrons. What he’s whining about is the little that’s left in the bank after he pays the rent on his Zagreb flat, the rental in the new studio, whatever little he gives Dijana and the girls, gym memberships, yoga lessons, paying Tibor and all the karaoke bars and meals round town.

What he’s angry about is finally living the bachelor life he wanted and having to look at his bank account before making definite hooker plans in Zagreb. Gone are the UK holidays and as Simon said earlier, he found out the hard way he’s living outside his means. The London dating trip round jubilee where hotels were ridiculously expensive wiped him out and so did the 3 week holiday in June.

It’s finally caught up to him that he can barely afford what he has and he picked today to lash out at Kim. It’s always been about the money.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I just don’t see how that 3 page rant helps his cause. He’s complaining that he has to charge what can’t be a cent over a €15 - €20 children’s haircut and then makes bold claims like hiring new lawyers if the current ones quit, flying to Australia to sue Kim and pursuing this until he’s 83.

And he’s making the rounds on Twitter thinking he’s won the argument. That post sounded exactly like how a man strung out on pills would write it, and he stresses just that in the post.

Yet here he is, threatening to appeal even before this case is adjudicated. Demonstrates that even he knows this is likely getting tossed. No matter, it’s not HIS money he’s using to pay lawyers. Patrons are literally funding his campaign for vengeance.

Publicly stating he’s not going to stop appealing and suing until he gets the outcome he desires is something any lawyer can tell you is pure folly. He keeps stepping on his lawyer’s toes and now we’re at the point where his case is hopeless. I’d withdraw as counsel if I were them,

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Awww so he doesn’t like that we have handles here. Because all ex JWs need to give out their name so they can be harassed by elders and shunned by family. Well, since he’s so “smart”, I reckon we should comply with his request.

I’ll start:

Felicia Urías Consuela Kaplan

Yucales Obreros Urbanización 531

Bernardo Ignacio Talledo Cuidad, Helvecia T4109

Argentina

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Here are the screenshots so you don’t have to click on that and for the record in case he deletes or modifies any of it.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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In his case it took a few years for him to lose most of his patrons, a very long process.

And it will likely be the same in his case. The YT stats have little do with the Patrons and that is not a stat he’s posting anytime soon if ever. He mentioned Patrons in response to the trolling he received a couple days ago about losing over 20 of them at the end of the month. It was his way to troll back and reassure his followers they are going to win this battle of attrition.

He’s always been dependent on the convention videos to strum up financial support. During the off months there were always leaks like pillowgate, bottlegate, Bethel refugees he helped break free and “documentaries” which required a lot of time, effort and money for travel costs, etc. and now all that is gone. Plus if he wants to write two books as he says he wants to, that’s more videos he’s not going to have time to make.

Now all he has are the summer convention videos and the random exJW who left him a voicemail who wants to be interviewed. Meanwhile Kim is traveling the UK as he often did and is meeting the “who’s who” of the community. A trip he couldn’t make anymore outside of a meeting a handful of remaining supporters.

His content suffered from March into May and the patrons leaving reflected that. Then the conventions happened. Now he’s headed into the autumn and winter months with little to talk about.

That’s the problem he has right now - relevance. Folks move on from being interested in JWs and will eventually drop as financial supporters due to this decreased level of interest. His lawsuit isn’t geared towards his antagonists, it’s more for the newbies who run across all this negative information about him. He wants to be able to point out that these people who made the critical videos were sued and convicted.

The lawsuit and the lack of any traction and success with it is also a problem that’s not going away. He’ll eventually be forced to spin some sort of narrative that they got away with it and it’s the court’s fault.

Winter is coming.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

I couldn’t read your picture
can you spell it out for me?

Footnote 317 in The Reluctant Apostate. It’s a footnote to the information given to LE at the JC that a Croatian sister found his website and reported it.

[317] I was later told by someone still inside the organization and in contact with my former elders in the UK that there was more behind my judicial committee than this, but I suppose this will have to remain a mystery for now.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Is everyone just assuming that because 1 and 2 are true he must have been in Thailand as a sex tourist?

He said he met sex workers in Thailand in his livestream. He also posted this on FB (3b):

https://www.facebook.com/100063554477683/posts/pfbid02Qdp41cnJuVr18H6k3Q9YXnFsukdVgqf4mEzfpkKwbe4QGsESg6pweBRVt6CLZmkYl

He changed tack on the Andrew Gold interview and said he was dating a sex worker. There was also this tweet:

He’s deliberately muddling the issue by playing semantics (dating, seeing, engaging with) but evidently they all mean the same thing. He denies being a “sex tourist” because that’s not the only thing he went there for per his account.

Maybe it’s just me, but if a gambling addict says they are going to Las Vegas or Monte Carlo, it’s fairly obvious what they are there for. Going to a museum on the same trip doesn’t change the reason you were there.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

The MTS video he made was described in TRA:

The course itself proved to be extremely demanding and intense. I took along Dad’s video camera and filmed sporadically over the eight weeks to document my progress according to Mum’s wishes. In the resulting movie, which I still have on DVD, you can see a marked difference between my giddy optimism on the first day and my more subdued and drained demeanor only a week later. [70]

However, read footnote #70:

[70] In case you are wondering, no I do not plan on making the full movie publicly available! My video editing skills were not as polished back then, so the film is rather long and tedious to watch for anyone but the students themselves. I also feel a responsibility to respect, to a reasonable extent, the privacy of my classmates.

Also, this is an interesting passage shortly before he was caught sexting:

This incident spilled over into months of bitter wrangling, as Geoffrey insisted I be deleted as an elder for being a disrupting influence to the congregation, and for being deceitful. [93] After numerous elders’ meetings (some of which lasted long into the night) and letters to and from Bethel, [94] the whole affair ended with Geoffrey getting little more than a slapped wrist while continuing as the congregation’s coordinator. I, meanwhile, was stripped of almost every congregational assignment apart from being an elder. [95]

Read footnote #95:

[95] I was told I would no longer be the overseer of the weekly Theocratic Ministry School (a program I will mention again in Chapter Eight). Furthermore, Dijana and myself were stripped of our pioneer status. It was felt that neither of us had been sufficiently pulling our weight in terms of preaching hours, so I was asked to break the news to Dijana that her eight years of pioneering in two different countries were unceremoniously at an end. Though Geoffrey initially escaped the debacle seemingly unscathed, I later learned that he was eventually removed as coordinator in 2014 for reasons connected with his attitude.

Now why would both him and his wife be stripped of their pioneer status? He claims it was because of the hours, but this came from Bethel. Not meeting the pioneer hours quota seems to be a local issue, not something Bethel would be involved in determining. Right after this he goes into being caught sexting. Something just doesn't add up here and it's possible he's purposely separating the sexting scandal with his issue with Geoffrey.

What if his issue of Geoffrey was related to the sexting? He's very careful to keep the two issues apart but it's curious that he dives right into the sexting in his book immediately after his conflict with Geoffrey was adjudicated by Bethel. He does mention Geoffrey accused him of being a "disrupting influence" and "deceitful" which suggests there was a lot more to it than him trying to correct another elder for overbearing behaviour as he claims it was. Losing the Theocratic Ministry School and having both him and his wife removed as pioneers just for bumping heads with Geoffrey sounds quite extreme.

And to have all this come down from Bethel?